{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"76703381","dateCreated":"1450134029","smartDate":"Dec 14, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76703381"},"dateDigested":1532128155,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #14, #15, and #16-the last one","description":"In your opinion did Jarvis do a better job incorporating historical research into the setting or the characters.  Support your answer with evidence.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"86475391","body":"I think Jarvis did a great job of incorporating historical facts. I think this because Jarvis incorporated facts about culture, jobs, lifestyle, and politics, instead of just facts about history or just facts about clothing. Some examples of clothing that were in the book were the shenti's and headwraps. Some examples of food were the dried fish, dates, and bread. Lastly examples of politics were the pharaohs and the queen.","dateCreated":"1450150035","smartDate":"Dec 14, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86516943","body":"In my opinion Jarvis did a better job of incorporating historical accuracy of the characters, such as Ranofer, who was of lower class and talked about his tiny meals and little opportunity in life, up to the pharaoh an the pharaoh's court, who were rich and wore golden jewelry. Jarvis also incorporated jobs that people had in Ancient Egypt, like a goldsmith or stone cutter. Jarvis also talked about the affect that the Nile had on the people in Ancient Egypt.","dateCreated":"1450311852","smartDate":"Dec 16, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86518777","body":"I think Jarvis did a better job incorporating evidence into the Characters. By using social class, Egyptian names, and jobs that corresponded to their socio-economic status, the characters were very realistic. While the cities were named and described correctly, it just wasn't enough to give the deep accurate feel the Static and Dynamic characters all had.","dateCreated":"1450321277","smartDate":"Dec 16, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86527291","body":"I think that Jarvis does a good job of incorporating historical facts into the story using setting. Jarvis describes places like the goldsmith shop, the stonecutting shop, the street of the crooked dog, the palace, the desert, and the tomb. The author talks about the coffins and the jewels and treasure that filled Queen Tiy's parents tomb. This is also presented in the goldsmith's and stonecutting shops and the occupations are historically accurate also. The author does a great job describing the palace of Queen Tiy describing the magnificent room and the balcony.","dateCreated":"1450370126","smartDate":"Dec 17, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76615515","dateCreated":"1449429618","smartDate":"Dec 6, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76615515"},"dateDigested":1532128155,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #11 and #12","description":"What accurate historical cultural evidence (clothing, food, language, religion, celebrations) does Jarvis incorporate either in chapter 11 or 12.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"86331649","body":"In chapter twelve the author talks about the flooding of the nile and its importance and the celebrations that follow, which is very historically accurate and is still important to this day.","dateCreated":"1449535713","smartDate":"Dec 7, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86332109","body":"Some active historical cultural evidence that the author gives is the High Nile Festival in ancient Egypt. The author talks about the excitement in the city. He also talks about the feasting and that even the lowliest get free food. Ranofer talks about dried fish, figs, honey cakes, and barley beer. They talk about the decorations and the Nile flooding also.","dateCreated":"1449537828","smartDate":"Dec 7, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86357471","body":"The author incorporates accurate clothing based on social class, which A) gives an authentic feel, and B) Promotes the correct social class of the book. For example, Ranofer wears rags, as he is not high class. The author also periodically uses Egyptian language terms, which make it seem like the author did her research.","dateCreated":"1449624884","smartDate":"Dec 8, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86383385","body":"In chapter 11 Ranofer talks about telling the guards of the stolen golbet, saying what a horrible crime it was and what could happen to Gebu, but culture is added when he says that he couldn't get close to the pharaoh to tell him because of his social status","dateCreated":"1449713676","smartDate":"Dec 9, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76568057","dateCreated":"1449071147","smartDate":"Dec 2, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76568057"},"dateDigested":1532128156,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #10","description":"Consider again one SPECIFIC piece of evidence that McGraw the author incorporated from her research on Ancient Egypt into this chapter.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"86226235","body":"One specific piece of evidence that the author incorporated into this chapter would be the name of the Pharaoh Thutmose Nefer Kepura. This was the name that Ranofer found written on the golden lotus blossom he found hiding in Gebu's room from him robbing a tomb. The author also talked about the stonecutter's work and the houses\/architecture in Ancient Egypt when the boys were spying.","dateCreated":"1449095553","smartDate":"Dec 2, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86226853","body":"The author incorporated jobs of ancient Egyptians into this chapter, like the boat captain, saying that he would have known about the gold that Gebu was stealing because he directed most of the trade. The author also described the tombs, showing the map of a tomb that Ranofer asked Gebu about which had a small room located in the tomb and other architectural aspects of the tomb.","dateCreated":"1449097050","smartDate":"Dec 2, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86227613","body":"The Author included realistic social class and real egyptian names to make book seem more authentic. He\/She describes real-life concepts that woud have existed in order to add a genuine feel to the plot. They payed attention to detail and logic to make sure the story made sense.","dateCreated":"1449099255","smartDate":"Dec 2, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86229801","body":"One way the author used research in this chapter was by using the goblet. Fine goblets like the one Ranofer found were often in royalties tombs, and this made it understandable why if Gebu had robbed a tomb he would have had this. The way the author described the goblet was also realistic, specifically how she said the names of the pharaoh it belonged to being on the goblet. This was something ancient egyptians actually did.","dateCreated":"1449105570","smartDate":"Dec 2, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86330509","body":"During this book,the author obviously used the city of Thebes from her research and incorporated it into the book. The city of Thebes sets the setting,the plot,and the resolution. It also has all of the story's characters and conflict between them,(Ranofer and Gebu.) Without the city of Thebes the book would not have been as well-written and have less action and characters.","dateCreated":"1449530740","smartDate":"Dec 7, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76475625","dateCreated":"1448458895","smartDate":"Nov 25, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76475625"},"dateDigested":1532128156,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #9","description":"Ranofer observes Gebu's increased standard of living as a sign of his recent increase in wealth. How do these examples that Ranofer notices compare with how socio-economic status (class) is presented in society today?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"86108529","body":"Socio-economic status is presented and thought of as an entirely different concept than it was back when the hypothetical Ranofer existed. First of all, using the term &quot;social class&quot; may offend someone who sees you as upper class. To bring this into reality, imagine someone with a well-paying job compared the salaries of your career to theirs. One would be offended. Second, back in the ancient Egyptian times, one would not EVER talk to a lower-class citizen on the same level as themselves. Today, we do all we can to help those less fortunate, with organizations such as The Salvation Army, and Micah. We have turned helping homeless people into a career, whereas a long time ago, it would have been thought of as a disgrace and no compassion would ever be found in the mind of anyone in such scenario.","dateCreated":"1448678511","smartDate":"Nov 27, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86166331","body":"The examples that Ranofer notices in Gebu can compare to modern day socio-ecomomics and social class in many ways. For starters, Ranofer notices Gebu's new sandals and clothing. In modern day, we see clothing as a sign of wealth also, but we don't compare things like clothing to determine social class. We do however, judge people in society on what they wear just like the people in ancient egypt. We also determine people;s social class by looking at things like cars, jewelry, and homes. We can compare this to the people of ancient Egypt because they did the same.","dateCreated":"1448935358","smartDate":"Nov 30, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86200665","body":"Ranofer notices all the nice things Gebu has, reflecting those of an upper class person. This shows that in some ways the way we see status is similar to how ancient egyptians saw it, based of what the person is able to afford and the things they have. If someone has a mansion, super nice car, and expensive clothes they are assumed to live in the upper class and have lots of  money (which they probably do) that assumption of upper class could translate into assuming someone social class in ancient egypt. The nice car and mansion could translate into Gebus sandals, barley wine, and headwraps.","dateCreated":"1449024122","smartDate":"Dec 1, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86330609","body":"With all the changes in Gebu's wealth Ranofer notices,this shows modern-day social class in many ways. Just as in ancient Egypt,everyone is separated by their wealth,looks,education,etc. Even today,that is still the case. Their are the impoverished people who are in need of money,the middle class who are doing just fine,living a normal class,and then their are the wealthy and rich folks. As you can see,everyone in the world is divided into these three categories by some standard. Ancient Egypt had these socioeconomic standards that are still used to this day. Just as in the book,Gebu can now buy wine and jewelry because he has more wealth than others. He has moved up in the social class rankings. In social class,some people move up,and some down.","dateCreated":"1449531035","smartDate":"Dec 7, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86383467","body":"Ranofer notices that Gebu has more materialistic items, such as new sandals or gold accessories to establish his wealth, which is common on how people are judged today with their wealth. If someone has an object of higher expenses or importance, it is suspected that they are if a higher class, and when Gebu bought and had newer shoes that Ranofer suspected were expensive, it was assumed that he had come into money.","dateCreated":"1449713880","smartDate":"Dec 9, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76373431","dateCreated":"1448033824","smartDate":"Nov 20, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76373431"},"dateDigested":1532128157,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #8","description":"At the end of Chapter 8 Ranofer has a choice.  If you were in Ranofer's shoes what choice would you make?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"85974501","body":"Ranofer must either A) Tell Gebu the truth or B) Lie. I would alter the story for sure so that it would work in my favor, but probably tell Gebu the truth so that I would not get in more trouble later. Either way, Ranofer's getting beaten.","dateCreated":"1448294610","smartDate":"Nov 23, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85993291","body":"At the end of chapter eight ranofer must decide to either say nothing to Gebu or tell him the truth. If I had been in Ranofers position I would have told the truth, because by saying nothing there is not even a chance of Gebu sparing Ranofer but if Ranofer explains himself he can at least try to convince Gebu and not get beaten.","dateCreated":"1448326604","smartDate":"Nov 23, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86015887","body":"If I were in Ranofers place, I would tell Gebu the truth because the beating that Ranofer would get from telling the truth would be less painful than if Gebu found out by overhearing that Ranofer had left from the shop and knowing that Ranofer had lied to him.","dateCreated":"1448385149","smartDate":"Nov 24, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86032813","body":"At the end of the chapter, Ranofer has to decide whether to lie to Gebu about forgetting his coppers or tell him the truth. Ranofer had left his copper's at the store because he had run out quickly, not wanting Pai to give him a trivial task so that he wouldn't be able to go to Zau's workplace. If I were in Ranofer's shoes, I would tell the truth because Ranofer is going to get beaten either way, but he will get beaten more if Gebu see's  through his lie or overhears what Ranofer has actually done. He would also be asked more questions from Gebu if he lied, and he did not want that.","dateCreated":"1448416684","smartDate":"Nov 24, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86161885","body":"If I were Ranofer,I would be confused and scared. Honesty,with what I've read about Gebu's beatings to him I would stay silent and play cool. This would help him move along in his normal life and get along slightly with Gebu. If Gebu would have heard any of this he probably would stop giving him food and kick him out of the house.","dateCreated":"1448922637","smartDate":"Nov 30, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76333745","dateCreated":"1447867526","smartDate":"Nov 18, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76333745"},"dateDigested":1532128158,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #7","description":"Consider: In what ways has the author Eloise Jarvis weaved historical elements and research about Ancient Egypt into this work of fiction? Find an example from Chapter 7. Make sure your response is unique and not the same as someone else that has responded to this post.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"85871443","body":"The author puts historical fiction into the book by using things such as jobs, food, and places that were real in ancient egypt. Some of the jobs the book mentions are stonecutters, papyrus farmers, and goldsmiths, specifically Heqet and Ranofer talk about their jobs as stone cutters and goldsmiths when they meet in the marsh. These are all real jobs that ancient egyptians had. Some of the food mentioned in the book are dates, bread, wine, and fish. All of these foods were common in ancient egypt. One of the real historical places mentioned is the nile river, a real river in egypt. If the author had used jobs like dog trainer, foods and drinks like coke and twinkies, and names for places like willy wonka street, it would really reduce the book and make no sense at all.","dateCreated":"1447961053","smartDate":"Nov 19, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85881723","body":"The author incorporates things like foods that are not eaten here but would be eaten in Ancient Egypt into the chapter like lotus root, which would be uncommon to eat now. The author also adds the aspects of the Nile river to this chapter talking about the affect that the river has on farming and agriculture in Ancient Egypt as well as drought when the river is not flooding or providing water to produce good soil.","dateCreated":"1447984034","smartDate":"Nov 19, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85891907","body":"The author mixes a nice balance of fiction, and real historic elements to make a combined genre of realistic and historical fiction.<br \/>\nBy doing this, you have something authentic, but with a plot. Like rewriting history to make it more interesting. She talked about tombs, which were a very significant part of Egyptian history.","dateCreated":"1448021610","smartDate":"Nov 20, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85903971","body":"<br \/>\nThe author uses Historical elements in many ways throughout the book. An example of this in Chapter 7 is when he describes the Nile and how it floods and what the people do and also he describes part of their irrigation systems. The author tells you about how the Nile floods and how it overflowed and people went about their business in a series of dikes. It says what times of the year these things happen. He tells you about how there were cracks after the dirt dried and about the slaves and workers that all come to work the fields during the harvest.","dateCreated":"1448047459","smartDate":"Nov 20, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85904311","body":"hi","dateCreated":"1448048232","smartDate":"Nov 20, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85944759","body":"The author of the book used historical elements such as social class,different jobs,and ways of life. From chapter seven,the author talks about Ranofer switching jobs to a stonecutter. This switches his entire desire and job,forcing him into something he doesn't enjoy. This creates a huge conflict between Ranofer and Gebu and makes Ranofer earn less money. This gives the book a good push and keeps the readers interest.","dateCreated":"1448217881","smartDate":"Nov 22, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76312645","dateCreated":"1447780966","smartDate":"Nov 17, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76312645"},"dateDigested":1532128158,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #6","description":"Continue to develop your response from Post #5 what other evidence could be used to compare the two trades of stone cutting and goldsmith work?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"85797413","body":"<br \/>\nStonecutters and goldsmiths are also done by very different people. Stonecutters have more muscle because they have to chisel away at the stone and do more heavy lifting in general. Goldsmiths on the other hand don't have a need for this muscle because they do small precise movements while making jewelry, cups, and tomb covers. In  the book the author describes the stone cutters as large, sullen men that don't like to talk to others while working. The author describes goldsmiths as the exact opposite. The author describes goldsmiths as sociable, friendly people. Goldsmiths also don't usually have wounds like stonecutters do, some of the stonecutters have fingers missing from carving away at the stone.","dateCreated":"1447786194","smartDate":"Nov 17, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85809221","body":"Continuing from my last post, The stonecutters job and the goldsmiths job are very different. A stonecutter does not create a final product but creates the blocks of stone or things to be carved or fixed by someone else. Unlike a goldsmith, who creates the whole product. The stonecutters also have much harder labor instead off detail like the goldsmith. Also, the stonecutters job is much more dangerous and boring. A goldsmith also has to keep track of the tools because they are valuable unlike stone. A stonecutter has to put up with harsher conditions such as noise and beatings. The goldsmith's also don't work on big projects like the stonecutters worked on the temple.","dateCreated":"1447809608","smartDate":"Nov 17, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85810801","body":"Stone cutters work tends to be rougher than a gold smiths and goldsmiths are more art oriented, not only creating gold but designing it. Stone cutters work has more precautions, take the man that got his thumb crushed by a block or granite for example. Although these are very different jobs, they both contribute to the pharaoh, so both jobs have essentially a common goal.","dateCreated":"1447813487","smartDate":"Nov 17, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85829745","body":"Concurring with Dahlia, I think a Stonecutter would build more functional things like bricks to make walls or kilns. Things that are moderately affordable, and don't show class. Whereas a Goldsmiths crafts would be symbols of aristocratism and Social Class, and might serve a decorative function. The respect for the different occupations varies and is not necessarily dictated by job.","dateCreated":"1447867644","smartDate":"Nov 18, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85842359","body":"By comparing and contrasting a goldsmith and a stonecutter,they are different in their own ways. A goldsmith deals more with making and creating gold ingots while stonecutters take chunks of stone and use tools to saw and cut them to make different objects. Goldsmith's also use hot furnaces and stores while stonecutters use cutting tools and tables to lay the rock on. In this book,goldsmiths and stonecutters are almost described like darkness and light from Ranofers perspective. He believes that working with gold is the light because he finds his own enjoyment from it and stonecutters being the darkness because his brother is one and Ranofer hates his brother.","dateCreated":"1447883808","smartDate":"Nov 18, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76185533","dateCreated":"1447180511","smartDate":"Nov 10, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76185533"},"dateDigested":1532128159,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #5","description":"Compare the craft of a goldsmith to that of a stonecutter. Use evidence from the text to support your comparisons.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"85642567","body":"<br \/>\nThe main difference between goldsmiths and stonecutters is that goldsmiths make art like jewelry and cups, while stonecutters make tools like hammers and stone blocks used from building. I know this because Ranofer talked about how he didn't want to be a stonecutter because he wanted to make art when Gebu threatened to make him a stone cutter's apprentice. Another reason I know this is because other than statues (which can be made of gold) you don't make art out of stone, and you don't make strong sturdy tools out of gold.","dateCreated":"1447293543","smartDate":"Nov 11, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85743595","body":"The craft of a goldsmith and a stonecutter can be different and the same. The craft of a goldsmith uses many tools and steps and ways of molding, building, and putting together gold. A stonecutter's work is to the point and uses mostly the same tools and steps for almost every project. The goldsmith and the stonecutter also create different things. A goldsmith would create cups, boxes, jewelry, and art with intricate detail. I know this from the things Rekh the goldsmith makes in his shop. I also know that a stonecutter creates more tools with less detail because Ranofer said that the job of a stonecutter such as Jebu's was bland and boring and that he didn't want to be one. He also said how a gold is delicate and stone is obviously not.","dateCreated":"1447635560","smartDate":"Nov 15, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85842495","body":"The main difference between a stonecutter and a goldsmith is one simple thing,one is gold,and one is stone. Stonecutters cut,chisel,and saw stone while goldsmith's melt gold and shape into what they want. In the book,Ranofer talks about his likings of a goldsmith compared to those of a stonecutter, He says that he hates stonecutting because Gebu does it and because pretty statues are not made out of rough stone. Ranger prefers gold working because his deceased father taught him many things that made him enjoy it.","dateCreated":"1447884069","smartDate":"Nov 18, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85880895","body":"A stonecutter has an entirely different job, to the point where he can almost not be compared to a Goldsmith. A goldsmith produces items not practically used every day, and his products are mostly for decoration, not for a purpose. A stonecutter produces practical and versatile products, like bricks, which could be used to make a wall, oven, or even a building. The products of a stonecutter would be more abundant and large because it was easier to get stone in bulk whereas gold is more rare, and would likely be made into a ring or necklace.","dateCreated":"1447982349","smartDate":"Nov 19, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86383569","body":"Goldsmiths and stone cutters have very different jobs, but the main difference is how they work and what they work with. Goldsmiths tend to have a finer, more art-like job in which they strive to create beautiful gold, but stone cutters have a harsher way of working that could result in injuries. Although they are very different, stone cutters and goldsmiths tend to both create their objects for the pharaoh.","dateCreated":"1449714144","smartDate":"Dec 9, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76086113","dateCreated":"1446774528","smartDate":"Nov 5, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76086113"},"dateDigested":1532128159,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #4","description":"It what ways does the author of this piece of historical fiction accurately depict Ancient Egyptian religion?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"85463781","body":"The author depicts ancient Egyptian religion accurately because she describes the tombs. She describes Ranofer's father's tomb. His tomb had a statue of his father, an offering table, and a false door. It also said that it was a shallow alcove hewn in the face of a cliff. He also tells you how people believe in god's and how at first Ranofer thought that the gods had brought his plan to to him. It also says how everyone, even the poorest fisherman, had a tomb","dateCreated":"1446826389","smartDate":"Nov 6, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85521641","body":"The author uses descriptive adjective that use imagery to make you imagine what the town actually looked like. This works well with the non-fiction setting and norms in society, paired with the fictional story line. This makes for a realistic Egypt, with the author's own timeline and set of events.","dateCreated":"1447025196","smartDate":"Nov 8, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85632959","body":"The author depicts the Egyptian religion by showing Ranofer thinking about the gods, and how he believed that his father had come to him in a dream and given him the idea to get Ibini caught without getting a beating by Gebu and how he gave up his own breakfast to honor his father at his fathers temple","dateCreated":"1447269624","smartDate":"Nov 11, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Sforza1738","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Sforza1738","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1524232553\/Sforza1738-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85642451","body":"The author depict and encapsulated egypt's religion in this book by talking about temples, tombs, and praying. The author said Rudi prayed to his father, like how most people would pray to their gods\/god. This is evidence that the ancient egyptian people valued on the afterlife. Another main part of egyptian culture that the author mentioned was tombs and how people would place expensive gold and jewelry in tombs.","dateCreated":"1447293287","smartDate":"Nov 11, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85904289","body":"test","dateCreated":"1448048207","smartDate":"Nov 20, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86331141","body":"The author talks about religion by telling about all of the gods that the Egyptians believed in. They believed in numerous gods and in an afterlife. When someone dies,they go to the Underworld and meet Anubis,the god of the Underworld. He then weighs your heart and if to many sins weigh it down you go to the Underworld. If your heart does not weigh that much,you are free to roam around in the peaceful valley where you have the opportunity to do anything.","dateCreated":"1449533238","smartDate":"Dec 7, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86331145","body":"The author talks about religion by telling about all of the gods that the Egyptians believed in. They believed in numerous gods and in an afterlife. When someone dies,they go to the Underworld and meet Anubis,the god of the Underworld. He then weighs your heart and if to many sins weigh it down you go to the Underworld. If your heart does not weigh that much,you are free to roam around in the peaceful valley where you have the opportunity to do anything.","dateCreated":"1449533253","smartDate":"Dec 7, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"76059447","dateCreated":"1446678052","smartDate":"Nov 4, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"ktblash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ktblash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1210454701\/ktblash-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/fagoldengoblet2015.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/76059447"},"dateDigested":1532128161,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Post #3","description":"What in chapter three indicates Egypt is a complex civilization? Beyond just a community but a complex civilization. Consider the definition of civilization that we came up with (Hint:PERSIA). Also make sure you are making a new inference not one someone else has already made and you are simply rewording.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"85402673","body":"One thing that infers that Egypt is a complex civilizations if their form of writing. Egyptians used hieroglyphs and claw tablets. They also had scribe school for people to learn how to read and write. Also their jewelry is very complex such as the golden necklace of leaves that Ranofer makes. One other thing is their religion. The Egyptians were famous for there gods, temples, and after life. Gods like Re the sun god and Sobek the crocodile god. The Egyptians made giant pyramids as tombs and put more in there then what the person had when they were alive. The cities also had trade from all different places which made them very wealthy. The <br \/>\nmain thing is that Egypt had amazing technology and information.","dateCreated":"1446686153","smartDate":"Nov 4, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"Saba2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Saba2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85642341","body":"<br \/>\nIn chapter three while the weigher is measuring and calling out what everyone earned he called out many different social classes, such as apprentice and master. The weigher also called out how much they earned, the master earning more than the apprentice, this shows that there is smaller social classes within more specific communities in egypt. This shows social class, and in a larger scheme this would include the pharaoh showing they had a ruler and politics. Since the weigher was calling out how much money they earned they must have had some type of money or bartering system giving them economy.  On the first few pages Ranofer talks about hieroglyphs, because the ancient egyptians had a writing system they were advanced, thus proving they had information and technology. On page forty nine Ranofer asks for forgiveness from Rekh for being late, he was late because he was at his father's temple praying this is evidence that Ranofer had religion as many people in egypt did. A major thing that happened in this chapter is Ranofer made leafs for a necklace, and since jewelry is considered art, Ranofer was making art this shows ancient egyptians placed value on art.","dateCreated":"1447292983","smartDate":"Nov 11, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"jworkman2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jworkman2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1445949717\/jworkman2021-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"85704827","body":"Egypt has its own system of irrigation, writing, blacksmithing, and goldwork and that's not it. Egyptians used every material they could find for something and put some of the most abundant and useless (at first glance) materials for things like construction and crafts.","dateCreated":"1447452032","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"cpsniffin","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/cpsniffin","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"86330679","body":"Egypt is defiantly a difficult civilization. Their form of waiting and translation is very hard to understand and they are working on getting everyone in a happy state and not leaving people to starve. They also have a good amount of people and cannot provide for all of them as much as they wish they could. Their technology is not that advanced for the poorer folks but is for the upper class people. This is again another form of separation from others. Their economics is a little complicated with the pharaoh and how he rules over everything without any guidance. This could eventually cause trouble in the future.","dateCreated":"1449531288","smartDate":"Dec 7, 2015","userCreated":{"username":"APayne2021","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/APayne2021","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}